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know, it's interesting that he used the analogy of talking and describing himself as david up against a goliath when, in fact, he is the leader of one of the largest churches in the united states. he knows presidents and he knows world leaders. so it's hard to imagine that he really is kind of this small individual going up against a giant. i guess in other words, he is trying to portray that the young men who have come forward or their defense team, their legal team is being some sort of goliath. so it's not interesting picture that he tried to portray. he did a very good job, though, of appealing to his congregation whether they truly feel they've heard the truth remains to be seen. we haven't been able to talk to them. we're sequestered in this room here. >> let's bring in don lemon, cnn anchor and reporter, who has been not only covering this but also talking to some members of the congregation. don, martin said it was interesting that he picked david vs. goliath because in many ways the four young men who are accusing the pastor of coercing them into a sexual relationship, i beli
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